Posts by Nathan Natas

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My experience today

by leaving_quietly in

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discussion with wife today led to her questioning whether i believe or not.

i told her that i just can't roll over and accept everything new thing they say just like that.

we were, of course, talking about the "new light".

You say, " my wife is very fragile emotionally..." Let me rhetorically ask (in other words, don't answer this) if her condition is REALLY so delicate and has been confirmed by psychiatrists and/or neurologists to be the result of some organic deficiency OR if this "fragility" is simply a role she plays to manipulate you. If she appears to be an oh-so-delicate-shrinking-violet then YOU will have to do things for her and not complain, for she has become your burden to bear.

If she does have some real organic deficiencies, you have my sympathy but I still wonder if coddling her is going to make her stronger.

Some asshole elder will pronounce you a "spiritual threat" and you will be wondering what the hell just happened.

I hope for your sake you are well and strong; you may soon be tested.

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!!!!INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT!!!! this morning. Family member hears TTATT.

by Gojira_101 in

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so my husband's brother called him this morning.

i will call his brother earl (fake name :) so earl calls him out of the blue, hubby hasn't talked to him in a few months.

earl was never baptized and left jw's in his later teens and the family has also thought he was a low life and the black sheep of the family.

Nathan Natas

Congratulations, Gojira!

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Public Apology Nathan Natas

by Simon in

i'd like to offer a public apology to nathan natas for making a wrong decision when i deleted him.. i allowed a combination of previous issues we'd had and input from other forum members to bias my decision which lead me to what i now, in hindsight, believe to have been a mistake.. whether you want to come back and post here or not i wanted to at least say sorry and will reactivate your account..

Nathan Natas

Problemaddict observed, " I can't help but feel it was bad form to call a former poster a liar publicly on your first post "back". Just sayin."

You are entitled your your opinion, PA, and you are entitled to bonus slack because you are relatively new.

One thing I have noticed in my long study of Watchtowerism is that far too often good men said nothing and thereby empowered evil. There were some people, for example, who objected to Russell's taking the title "Pastor." If you play by the Bible rulebook, their objection was sound. But most said nothing, so the "Pastor's" organization grew. Russell was constantly - yes, CONSTANTLY - changing his doctrines when they were proved inaccurate or inconvenient. Most quietly went along with this - it was "new light." After Russell's death a power-hungry sociopath conspired with a few lackies to take over Russell's printing business. LOTS of Bible Students objected and left, but too many didn't care enough to challenge the organization that had given them a title and reverence.

I prefer not to make that mistake. It is not bad form to call a thing what it is, it is honesty. That's what I try to bring to the party.

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Watchtower vs. the Roman Catholic Church

by Farkel in

the roman catholic church (rcc) religious leaders wear ridiculous clothing.. wts elders wear ridiculous cheap suits.. .

one can wear a beard and still be a priest in the rcc.. one can wear a beard in the wts, but never be an elder with one.

it's bible-based(tm).

Nathan Natas

THIS is the kind of thought-provoking work upon which Farkel built his fearsome reputation and it is why free XJWs love him so.

Furthermore Farkel does not seek power - he has NEVER created an organization of Apostates and installed himself as leader of that organization. He has followed the philosophy of "received freely, given freely" and has never suggested that his admirers should send him money. Farkel is a class act and some others - let the reader use discernment - are not.

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Public Apology Nathan Natas

by Simon in

i'd like to offer a public apology to nathan natas for making a wrong decision when i deleted him.. i allowed a combination of previous issues we'd had and input from other forum members to bias my decision which lead me to what i now, in hindsight, believe to have been a mistake.. whether you want to come back and post here or not i wanted to at least say sorry and will reactivate your account..

Nathan Natas

Glander said, "Let's have a spiritual good time!"

Mister, are you calling me an oxymoron?

A long, long time ago, when I was a teen at the Kingdom Hall, we used to have a kind of "Theocratic Comedy Routine in which we would joke about "Temple... Oranges! Did you think I was going to say PROSTITUTES? I derive no sensual pleasre from discussing the sins of the flesh!"

Yes indeed it WAS lame, but it made Jah's heart glad. I couldn't have imagined "spiritual" and "good times" being used in a sentence together without the word "NOT".

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Can one person make a difference? Need your help please.

by apocalypse in

i am feeling a bit out of sorts & i need to bounce this off the board.. do some of you remember the coming out of the un scandal back when?.

have you seen the letter from the un in c of c?.

i am sitting here with that original letter in my hand.. the day before the date on this letter, i had heard about the watchtower involvement on hourglass2.

Nathan Natas

Apocalypse, of course one person can make a difference; you have PROVED that by your own actions.

I would submit that the person who told you that one person CANNOT make a difference was not thinking of you, they were thinking of themselves.

"Whether you think you CAN or think you CAN'T, you are right."

"Success comes in CANS; failure comes in CAN'TS."

I think the first mention of the UN scandal I recall was in a post by Norm. And I too recall Hawkaw, but I didn't know him well.

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Public Apology Nathan Natas

by Simon in

i'd like to offer a public apology to nathan natas for making a wrong decision when i deleted him.. i allowed a combination of previous issues we'd had and input from other forum members to bias my decision which lead me to what i now, in hindsight, believe to have been a mistake.. whether you want to come back and post here or not i wanted to at least say sorry and will reactivate your account..

Nathan Natas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BPi2r2j70Zc

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Public Apology Nathan Natas

by Simon in

i'd like to offer a public apology to nathan natas for making a wrong decision when i deleted him.. i allowed a combination of previous issues we'd had and input from other forum members to bias my decision which lead me to what i now, in hindsight, believe to have been a mistake.. whether you want to come back and post here or not i wanted to at least say sorry and will reactivate your account..

Nathan Natas

Glander asked, "Are you Batman or Spiderman? "

I have decided that for the next fortnight I shall use the non-de-nom, "ManMan"

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Public Apology Nathan Natas

by Simon in

i'd like to offer a public apology to nathan natas for making a wrong decision when i deleted him.. i allowed a combination of previous issues we'd had and input from other forum members to bias my decision which lead me to what i now, in hindsight, believe to have been a mistake.. whether you want to come back and post here or not i wanted to at least say sorry and will reactivate your account..

Nathan Natas

Venetian,

Although I don't know how I was a help to you, I am glad that I was.

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Public Apology Nathan Natas

by Simon in

i'd like to offer a public apology to nathan natas for making a wrong decision when i deleted him.. i allowed a combination of previous issues we'd had and input from other forum members to bias my decision which lead me to what i now, in hindsight, believe to have been a mistake.. whether you want to come back and post here or not i wanted to at least say sorry and will reactivate your account..

Nathan Natas

...so there I was, out in garage, inflating my ego to near cosmic dimensions, when what to my wondering eyes should appear...

but the brilliant bat-signal,

up there,

in the air!

Simon, I want to give you a hearty virtual handshake and a brotherly slap on the back! It takes some real stones - and I don't mean 14 pounds or 6.3 kilos - to offer a public apology, and I accept, providing I am permitted to review the events leading up to my banishment to the land of thornd and thistles.

I got into an argument with Cedars in the days after the suicide of Oompa. Cedars reported to Simon that I had threatened him. Cedars is a coward and a liar. I tried to explain what was happening to some of my friends via PMs here because the first stage of my punishment was that I could not make ANY public posts on ANY subject, but I was still able to use PM,so I did. Then that was turnred off and my account was closed.

I think that is an accurate summary of the events, but that is MY opinion, subject to rebuttal by Simon or others.

Maybe I have an ability to sniff out a bad fish before others do. Maybe I've just been lucky that the few times I thought I smelled a foul fish I was right. It's not something I do with great intent 24/7/365, sometimes my spidey-senses tingle.

I am very moved by the kind words of so many. You are my community, my family-of-the-heart.

JWN is the largest and best forum for XJWs and JWs who are starting to think. Be assured the WTB&TS fears and hates this community of thinkers and lovers of freedom.